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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:31:00 -
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The idea of a scout able to pass though hostile barrages and tackle something seemed really cool.
But in fact we see now only fleets of inties.
They roam across all systems in total (near total) impunity they engage lone targets and run if something able to kill them arrive.
If the goal was to find a way to reduce farming, I think there was other options.
It is nearly impossible to protect your SOV against these fleets. It is as boring as afk cloakers to hunt.
Where is the fun?
I always thought that each type of fleet should have an appropriate response. But as for the AFK cloakers the only appropriate response is docking or moving away...
I don't see the point.
Heavy dictors bubble should be able to catch nullifed ships... |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 06:42:00 -
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Yes I forgot the proposal the first time ;-) |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.15 08:58:00 -
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I have caught a few ceptors with a high remoted sensor booster Malediction. But it is really random. Baiting could be cool if Light missile Crow and Malediction were not so present. Smart Bombs BS is not so efficient than it should.
A special anti-nullified script for HIC should give a good option.
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.16 11:25:00 -
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Happy to see the subject have some echoes in minds.
I am sure that flying a fleet of interceptors is funny. The problem is that it is so easy that there is nothing else now.
It is true that as my favorite gameplay is hunting intruders in Goon SOV, the interceptor fleets are a problem to me more than for ather players.
It doesn't change the fact that it could be cool to have a response for this type of fleet.
I like the Idea of the Heavy Dictor script because the Dictor alone will not be able to catch the interceptors. But in a synergy with fast ships it will be interestening. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 03:58:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:It is nearly impossible to protect your SOV against these fleets. It is as boring as afk cloakers to hunt. We've been using 10,000 man interceptor fleets to take down IHUBS and large POSes. It's worked out really well so far.
In fact I did not talk about really losing the SOV, but the fact that we were not able to stop hostiles to go through our SOV. There is nearly no way even with a good fleet to stop a inty fleet.
Perharps it is a good thing but I don't like the idea that someone can fly a ship and dumbly fly gate to gate in all Eve with no risk. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:19:00 -
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Georgik Sojik wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:The idea of a scout able to pass though hostile barrages and tackle something seemed really cool.
But in fact we see now only fleets of inties.
They roam across all systems in total (near total) impunity they engage lone targets and run if something able to kill them arrive.
If the goal was to find a way to reduce farming, I think there was other options.
It is nearly impossible to protect your SOV against these fleets. It is as boring as afk cloakers to hunt.
Where is the fun?
I always thought that each type of fleet should have an appropriate response. But as for the AFK cloakers the only appropriate response is docking or moving away...
I don't see the point.
EDIT: Heavy dictors bubble should be able to catch nullified ships... Perharps with a special script. -AN OPEN LETTER TO CFC AND GOONS; From A lowly Sniggwaffle.- Dear CFC and Goons, As an unofficial, but highly sympathetic, representative of Sniggwaffe, and Waffles. Alliance, I would like to sincerely apologize for our 200 man corp ruining your EVE experience. Our brazen acts of ruining your "fun" and harassing your miners and AFKTars is not what we had originally hoped to do so many months ago. The continued use of these tactics is completely cowardly and is ruining the game. To this end, I have petitioned the leadership of our much-too-powerful Alliance to ban all use of Interceptors in null sec as it is not E-honourable. I have also written a report documenting why the use of AFK 'Cloaky' camping is a game-breaking exploit. I am sure many of my fellow Sniggwaffe members, and the Alliance directors will come to see that this type of tactic should be banned throughout eve as being "not very fun." We, specifically myself, hope that the weak and defenseless CFC, especially the Goons, get the retribution they deserve. EVE should not be a place where anyone in High, Low, or Null sec should be forced to PVP in unbalanced and unfair situations. An EVE where pilots are left without a way to defend themselves, are forced to die alone, and have no recourse against the aggressors is not an EVE I would want to play in. Perhaps one day CCP will wake-up and realize that this 'sandbox' they've created is a place where people are free to do whatever they want willy-nilly much to the detriment of the players who wish to ignore the social structure that EVE is supposedly based on. Sincerely, Georgik Sojik. PS - Good Luck with Burn Jita III
Even if I was not a Goon that would change nothing of my point of view. It is funny to see that because I have the goon tag I must be a sort of evil insect that going to burn Eve commanded by our vicious mastermind that I would follow blindly...
I don't have any problem about fleets or solo hunters coming in our regions to kill some farmers that are not paying attention. But I am not ok with the fact that even with a motivated bunch of guys it is impossible to protect our regions against intruders.
In fact I like intrudres. I fly solo most of the time hunting them. It is what I like the most to do.
I like the fact that this a sandbox where you can do what you want. But every game play in the game should have an adequate response. If someone fly a interceptor he should have the pressure of a risk to be catch if he do it wrong. Cloakers should not be totally safe while cloaked for hours.
Empire Gankers should have more difficulties to kill Freighters and Indus. Because it is simply too easy for the moment. It is so easy that I don't use my freighter anymore (with my alt of course). I nearly don't use my Transport ship, and never fly an indus.
It is not because I am a Goon that I cannot be against the Idea of Burn Jita. Or against High Sec Miner gankers.
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.17 04:55:00 -
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Edited: double post |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 03:59:00 -
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The fact that there is now only interceptors is the proof that there is a problem with them.
Of course they are fun to fly.
But if they replace all other ships then why creating somthing else? |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.18 04:31:00 -
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Tchulen wrote: Again, I'm not trying to have a go at you but instead I'm trying to point out that you need to think about these things logically rather than emotionally deciding you can't do something simply because you made a mistake and got shot. Take responsibility for your mistakes instead of blaming an "unfair" game. I've see too many people in EvE try something, get shot, try it again, get shot, try it again, get shot then quit what they were doing completely not once thinking that perhaps if they modified how were there doing it with the information they received by being shot they might be able to make it work. Often, they then come onto the forums and complain about how some game mechanic or other is unfair. In most cases it's not unfair, they're just a dumbass.
I think you make a mistake. It is not about emotions, it is about diference between analysis. You think that doublewrap is enough to protect freighters and super-scanresolution is enough to catch inties. But it is not true. Yes it is more risky if you do not know what there is in the containers to sacrifice 9 Tornadoes or 20 Destroyers on a Freighter. But even if the Freighter was empty the loss of the pirates is already ridiculous in fornt of the freighter cost. Goon destroy freighters just for fun already. (I do not caution this gameplay but if goons like to do that..)
With two nanofibers a malediction is almost impossible to catch with highresolution.
I don't blame un unfair game; Eve is unfair. But the gameplay should not be unfair.
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.25 07:40:00 -
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Zappity wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:I am concern about the fact there is only interceptors because of their impunity.
No more assault fregates, no more cruisers, not even these shiny electronic frigates. Not because these ship are not good. But because the Interceptors are OP. I agree entirely. AFs and EAFs should also be interdiction nullified.
It is an option, but What about the BC that we nearly don't see anymore?
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.25 07:56:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:You don't see them anymore because they are pointless against blobs.  Too slow, too flimsy, easily nuked of the field. I'm sure, the Myrm pilot from the recent Aubenal fight can confirm that. 
Yes I love BCs but I don't see what to do with now. Slow and witout enough range and without enough tank... It is sad. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.27 13:49:00 -
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even with 5000+ scan resolution I don't catch these inties most of the time.
It happens about 1/10 times I catch one inty with instalock. But it is really randomly.
Not realy interestening. I think that when everybody will just dock the game will be really more interetening....
Now time to play Elder Scroll online ;-) |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.28 08:57:00 -
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Malediction and Crow are really powerful today. Long range warp disruptor, long range light missiles, quite good dps.
2 Maledictions can easily kill lot of farmer ships, 5 to 10 will be able to take down nearly any farmer. Most of the time they will deny any other fight.
Even with high scan resolution it is rare you can catch one of them just because of latency. (And mine is really huge)
The only efficient counter measure I found is otther inties.
So I think that time will come where there will be only inties and docked ships in Eve... |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:50:00 -
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Viribus wrote:Odoman Empeer wrote: Cloak 5001 m off gate in direction of other gate. Wait for ceptors to show up on d scan. decloak, start smart bombing. Wait for ceptors to land on gate and blow up. Don't need to lock to smart bomb, so just put a cloak on it and they'll quite litterally never see it coming.
I think you're seriously underestimating the ehp of a ceptor
I tried with a Rokh. No interceptor ever been destroyed. Perharps with more.... |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.30 03:51:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:Interceptor fleet are not fun at all. some people think mining isn't fun too.. if you don't like interceptor fleets.... don't fly in them.
In fact it is not flying them the problem. It is the fact that they removed any other type of fleet. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:01:00 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:Interceptor fleet are not fun at all. some people think mining isn't fun too.. if you don't like interceptor fleets.... don't fly in them. In fact it is not flying them the problem. It is the fact that they removed any other type of fleet. Would you please stop lying to yourself, and more importantly, to the rest of the community? OR implying that CFC is the only entity in this game? There are other people in this game (believe it or not) and they fly other fleet setups than ceptors. If CFC is incapable of doing that, that's your problem but not one for the rest of the community. Resolve that internally and not on the back of the rest of the community. 
Happy to read this ;-)
These fleet do not come to Deklein though. I agree that I only can only talk about my game experience.
But obviously why flying something else for the moment?
Interceptors are so cool... Fast to travel, nearly impossible to catch and able to engage what they want to.
Of course you will not take SOV with Inty fleet. But you will be able to give the sensation to those who got SOV that they cannot protect them.
Perharps it is not a so bad thing in fact.
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